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Thursday, November 18, 2010

$10 million Swimberley proposal under review – is it viable?

Note: An alert citizen sent this report to the RoundUp. The Swimberley proposal has been floating around for quite some time and has finally come up for review, in line with several other projects, by the county's parks and open space panel. Final scoring of the projects, we are informed, was completed Wednesday night. Carl Owens, a Wimberley resident and a chief advocate for the estimated $9.5 million 10-acre swim park, butted heads with county commissioners this summer, claiming the review and approval process for county parks and open space projects ($30 million total) was fraught with political favoritism for projects hand-picked by commissioners. His criticism caught their attention and now his project has become a contender for a portion of the $3 million remaining in the park bond fund. While the project has some merit and positive community aspects to it, serious questions remain as to the project's long term financial viability and sustainability, its water supply source and others noted in the report below. We welcome responses from the project's coordinators and supporters.

Send your comments and news tips to roundup.editor@gmail.com, to Mr. Owens at Swimberley, to Commissioner Will Conley at will.conley@co.hays.tx.us, to County Judge Liz Sumter at lizsumter@co.hays.tx.us, or click on the "comments" button at the bottom of the story

Dick Whipple, on the Board of Directors of Swimberley, gave a Power Point presentation about the proposed Wimberley Aquatic Recreation Park at the Wimberley Community Center Wednesday night, Nov 17. Presentations were also scheduled at 10:30 a.m. and 6:30 p.m. on Thursday, Nov. 18.

The WARP was incorporated as a non-profit 501(c)3 entity on November 1, 2005. It has an eight-member Board of Directors and an Advisory Board.

They propose to build a recreation center on 10 acres near the intersection of Jacob's Well Road and FM 2325, on the south side of 2325. The land would be far enough south of 2325 that noise from cars would not be heard at the center, stated Whipple. He was not willing to state from whom the land would be purchased or donated.

The total project includes far more than merely swimming pools. There would be pavilions which could be rented for private events, horseshoe pits, concessions, 3/4-mile walking/jogging trail, and a 3,000-square foot "fitness area," plus bleachers from which spectators would watch swim meets.

The entire project seems designed to be a swimming venue for the high school swim team primarily. Indeed the Power Point program included a voice over comment from Wimberley school Superintendent Dwain York about how beneficial the Aquatic Center would be for the high school. The center would be used for area swim meets. And obviously as a practice venue for the high school swim teams.

To make the swim center more palatable to the public, Swimberley has added the other amenities. Whipple stated that "pools lose money, traditionally," and that Swimberley needs the other features to rent out and otherwise bring in more revenue. (Based on the non-success of the Wimberley Community Center as a money-producing entity, it's hard to see how WARP believes it can do better.)

One audience member who regularly swims at Barton Springs in Austin stated that the proposed dome-covered, 8-lane indoor pool doesn't seem very appealing. There are very few windows in the building, by design. Those who envision swimming in the open air and getting a tan will be disappointed.

The main building will be 41,000 square feet. There will be an elevator in it. The center will be open 7 days a week. The cost of the project will be over $9.5 million, not including the land. Whipple stated that the land could cost $1 million more ($100,000 an acre).

Though the project's website (www.swimberley.com) states that the project will provide construction jobs, how likely is it that a local builder will be chosen to put up the unusual domed, round building?

If the center should open, Whipple stated that there probably would be 4-5 salaried employees, 5-6 full-time hourly employees, and 25-35 part-time hourly employees. Some of the hourly employees might be high school students, he said.

The water supplier for the center would be Aqua Texas. That fact alone is troubling, in that Aqua Texas already is committed to process more wastewater than its facilities can handle.

(Remember the frac tank at Woodcreek North? And with Wimberley Springs Partners' proposed new subdivision near the new elementary school on tap, Aqua's well pumps are going to be going full speed around the clock.)

There will be daily use fees and monthly-plan fees at the center. To visit the center one day will cost $6 for adults and $4 for each child. Monthly passes will cost $40 a month for an individual and $74 for a family pass (up to 5 people).

Swimberley has asked Hays County Commissioners Court for $2 million from the Parks Fund. Commissioners have not yet decided whether to allot the money to Swimberley or to other projects. The project is under review by the county's parks and recreation panel. Even if commissioners decide to award Swimberley a $2 million grant, that still leaves at least $7.5 million more to raise to complete the project. And will the county have to spend more of our tax dollars each year to keep the project afloat?

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am opposed to the creation of the Swimberley Park as proposed. It should be supported only by users of the park including students of the WISD, not the taxpayers. No Aquifer water should be used and if rainwater can’t sustain this frivolous undertaking, scrap the whole deal. This will be just another bad idea that will suck the life out of the community, taxpayers and the Aquifer. There are so many things wrong with this concept it would take more space than I am willing to give it right now.

No thanks! said...

For anyone who has to drive on FM
2325, it's going to be like Market
Day every time a swim meet is held
at the Swimberley site. There will
be MANY swim meets, too, because
Swimberley expects to take in over
$86,650 from them.

Phew! said...

Is the Swimberley site on FM 2325
near the Aqua Texas sewage treatment plant?

Ralph said...

First of all, for Swimberley to be approved for county funds, Aqua Texas (ATI) must guarantee that any of its infrastructure capital expenses needed for the Swimberley project must be absorbed by itself, WISD and/or built into user fees. Existing homeowners under ATI should not be burdened with paying for Swimberley's water use and disposal costs.

Second, WISD should provide guarantees - or a pre-funded slush fund - for cost overruns and/or unforeseen post construction inflation costs. If WISD is the primary beneficiary of Swimberley, they should bear most of the financial risks.

Third, ATI is a publicly-traded company whose sole existence is profit and growth. The HC community needs to limit ATI's expansion grip so it cannot mindlessly exploit desperate-to-expand small communities like Wimberley.

Swimberly is a bad idea if the only way to make it work is to use ATI. I suggest we wait on Swimberley until a macro County water plan is developed and generally accepted by the various political and economic forces.

If a water master plan cannot be affirmed county wide, we should freeze all further large commercial and residential projects - especially in west Hays County - until our water future is clarified.

It is time Hays County spends its money on small businesses, not corporations who are again making record profits and for school projects that are not directly educational. WISD and its parents are addicted to sports. Is it time to stop feeding the addiction unless WISD wants to pay 100% for the "drug."

Trust the data of the scientists, not the business interests, the politicians, or the sports obsessed WISD school administrators.

Anonymous said...

Yup it's going to stink out there. Mr. Whipple and crew have been making the rounds for weeks trying to get the POAs and City Councils to write a letter of support to the County to provide the funds. Strangely the water hippies seem to favor this thing even though the infamous Aqua-Texas will supply water and wastewater. They claim rainwater will supply most of their needs but the math doesn’t quite work out, it will require mucho groundwater. This will be a disaster for all that live out that way as mentioned above, many teenage drivers and traffic jams.

Sure Superintendent Dwain York likes it since the district’s students can swim there, anyone want to guess what that will cost the tax payers. Speaking of taxes, as a non-profit they won’t be paying any to the county.

Anonymous said...

I believe we all voted for park funds, not the funding of businesses. The park money should go toward projects we all can enjoy, not niche projects. I'm confussed because the way Swimberley sees it, we voted to pay a tax to form parks so we can pay an entrance fee to enjoy a park we all funded?

Ralph said...

Hey last Al-Anon: "Water hippies?" What the hell is that? Are you talking about Dwayne York and the swim team as water hippies? Who exacty are the water hippies?

What is it with the locals who call anyone a hippie who likes nature and wants to have a nice place for our kids to go if it can be done intelligently and responsibly?

Personally, I think the project is loaded with potential problems and unpredictable financial risks. So I guess I'm a fiscal hippie?

And because you like to use the word hippie as a designation for environmental flake, does that make you a redneck hippie?

Or are you just some guy out of touch with current reality who has no other way to explain yourself except to use the word "hippie."

See, I was a hippie - 40 years ago. Get a life, Man. We are in the second decade of the 21st century.

Anonymous said...

I think the first “Ralph” said it best and I agree with just about all he said. If a project like this has merit it should be paid for by investors and repaid only with it’s own revenues, not by the taxpayers.

This is not what County park funds should be spent on. This is not a park it is a business venture looking for County financing. Really, it is an attempt to use government funds to pay for somebody’s dream that cannot stand on it’s own. It is a bailout in reverse. No Thanks!

Hopping mad said...

Will Conley will be the chief sponsor for this project if it gets the ok, yet another of his taxpayer financed boondoggles. Seems like Conley just doesn't get it that his main job in representing all constituents inside precinct 3 is NOT BUYING new friends with the taxpayers money. This project screams BAD DEAL! from every angle. And I couldn't agree more with Ralph's point that NO ONE SHOULD BE GIVING AQUA TEXAS ANY MORE ROPE WITH WHICH TO HANG MORE LOCAL RESIDENTS AND EVENTUALLY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. If Conley wants to do us a favor, he ought to start a BUY OUT AQUA TEXAS FUND with some of that park money.

Anonymous said...

I hate to admit it but I’m beginning to have doubts about Commissioner Conley. He’s a personable and friendly sort that kind of took me in and I supported him. Lately I have begun to put 2 and 2 together. He favors expenditures in his precinct that are very visible, have a popular following and are expensive. He seems to do a good job on roads, which has historically been the real job of County Commissioner; maybe it should be their only job. After that his projects are little more than glossy “Pork” such as Jacob’s Well Elementary, The Ridge at Wimberley Springs, and now the biggest “porker” of all, Swimberley. His best buddies are Winton Porterfield of Wimberley Springs and Aqua-Texas, where the money is. I think it is suspicious that the sponsors of Swimberley are spending a great deal of money promoting an expensive non-profit playpen. They just won’t let this turkey die because they have Conley’s ear and support from big money developer interests.

Conley’s most recent project was the County’s purchase of 71 acres of the land just north of Jacob’s Well that has apparently gone into limbo. Nobody’s talking, including Will and David Baker about what happened to the “deal”. There are rumors about the owners of the property pulling out of their offer due to some hanky panky going on with some of the non-profits in the background

Triumvirate of Greed said...

Dear Anonymous Nov. 19, 11:20 a.m.,

I'm glad you've caught on to Will
Conley's machinations. Conley,
Patrick Rose, and Jeff Barton
constitute what I think of as the
Triumvirate of Greed. All three are
bought by land developers (Wimberley Springs Partners, Aqua
Texas, Salt Lick Development, highway engineers, surveyors, etc.)

We've rid ourselves of Rose and
Barton. Conley needs to be the next
to go.

P.S. - Notice how Conley belatedly
is trying to position himself as
an environmentalist. Ha! He just
realized people are waking up to the lasting damage he is doing to Wimberley Valley.

Sam Brannon said...

Part I:

My letter to the Commissioners Court is below.

We’ll still be trying to stop this on Tuesday morning, 9am at the Commissioners Court. Join us…

--

To: lizsumter@co.hays.tx.us; debbiei@co.hays.tx.us; jeff.barton@co.hays.tx.us; will.conley@co.hays.tx.us; karen.ford@co.hays.tx.us
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:39:25 +0000

Judge Sumter and Commissioners Ingalsbe, Barton, Conley and Ford:

I am asking you again to stop the process on all Parks Bond spending ( including Nicholson Ranch ) until the next court convenes in January.

1) Economic conditions have changed drastically since 2007 when this bond package was passed. As was mentioned in court Tuesday, it’s unimaginable this bond would pass today. The people can’t afford it, and everyone I know who’s watching the County budget closely (including members of this court) has admitted that the next court will face some tremendous challenges to avoid a rather significant tax hike. This situation hasn’t been honestly discussed with the community, and it should have been.

We hear testimony almost every Tuesday morning about hard economic times and rapid growth in poverty and child hunger. Hays County residents continue sacrifice while our various governments take a greater percentage of our earnings, and we just can’t afford to spend money on conservation land and recreation projects. This is borrowed money, and we’ll have to pay it back through higher taxes next year and for years to come. Please don’t lay anymore financial burden on the People of Hays County.

2) As the story states, there are a lot of questions on how the project money was allocated to this point. I recall standing room only in the court one day, and a full courthouse another time or two where taxpayers shared their frustrations and suspicions. The project scoring system wasn’t even finalized until over $20 million had been spent.

Given the magnitude of the unanswered questions on the Swimberley project, the Nicholson Ranch project and others, the entire process needs to be halted now, and left for the next court to decide rather than push $8 Million through a lame duck session during holiday season. We need you to act responsibly. Now.

Sam Brannon said...

Part II: Letter to the Commissioners

3) There are serious objections to the $5,000,000 Nicholson Ranch purchase to be set aside as conservation area. The price is inflated, and its unlikely it will be developed within a generation even if we don't buy it - its sloped and has no water (in an area with little water to give) or access. It just can't be developed, even if we do nothing. It completely unnecessary, other than to help developers build in other environmentally sensitive areas through a "cap-and-trade" type scheme. Well... We don't have that kind of money for that kind of thing.

Even more confusing is that as late as this past Tuesday, the court was still discussing whether the land will be kept as conservation area (which is mostly off limits to people), placed under a conservation lien and resold, or for some other use. According to the contract I reviewed, the current owner of the land will retain mineral rights, and the contract even allowed for oil drilling sites. There's nothing about this project - or the $5 million - that makes sense.

By now, the County has likely assumed the contract from Nature Conservancy. If not, stop the deal now and let it die. If so, forgo the $100,000 earnest money and walk away.

It seems the only land deals getting done these days are done with public money, and that's telling. Putting taxpayers on the hook for another $8 million in debt via some very suspect projects does not serve the interest of the People of Hays County in any way. Its irresponsible to continue to spend this money as it will require greater sacrifice from the people you've sworn to serve.

I ask you all to stop this now, and leave them for the next court.

Commissioner Ingalsbe and Commissioner Conley... The People of Hays County expect your help. Judge Sumter, that would be an elegant legacy to leave.

Best -
Sam

Lacrosse, anyone? said...

I agree with Ralph that Wimberley ISD administration and parents are
sports obsessed. They want to foist a $10.5 million swim center
on us at a time when most of us need to pull tight our purse strings instead of doling out money
for lavish projects.

What's next? A lacrosse court? A
hockey field? New astroturf for the
football field? An ice skating rink?

Enough already!

Tarzan Spitz said...

Swimberley is first a stupid name, and second, it is a public entrepeneurism scam disguised as a community and family leisure venture. Who is stupid enough to fall for such a misguided tax drain project?

Well, apparently the WISD tax suck is promoting it along with this Owens hustler. And of course Aqua Texas is standing around with it's hand extended wanting to relieve us of our limited tax infrastructure funds.

Hey, I have a house on the Blanco River that WISD can use as a training center that I will lease out for only $1M - and we can keep ATI out or it.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we ought to call it Scamberley!

Anonymous said...

Another cost of Swimberley will be that yet another traffic signal will be required, to regulate the traffic going into and coming out of Swimberley.

As someone said before, it's going to look like Market Day every day, especially in the summer.

Re: Will Conley said...

Yeah, Conley has disdained "tree
huggers" in the past, but now he
wants to proclaim, "But I are one!"

Anonymous said...

Whipple and crew have also been
making the rounds of real estate
companies. They're telling the
agents how great Swimberley will be
for their business. How families
will love to move to a small town that has a wondrous swim center
with two indoor pools. What Whipple
and Co. don't add is what everyone
knows who thinks about it: the taxes paid by new homeowners don't
even begin to pay the cost of extending new roads, new water and
wastewater lines, and new schoolrooms and teachers to those families. All the other taxpayers (us!) have to bear that cost.

One real estate agent friend of mine told me that Swimberley hawkers have been to her office twice.

Swimberley has also conned Woodcreek Property Owners Association and other homeowners groups into signing letters of
support that Swimberley will present to Commissioners Court as
evidence of community support for
this extravagant project.

Fed up with Conley's games said...

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Conley who suggested the ten acre site for Swimberley out on 2325. He's been chomping at the bit to widen the highway as far west as possible to make it easier for developers.

Anonymous said...

You could be right, Fed Up with
Conley's Games. Wimberley Springs
Partners has been a supporter of
Will Conley since he started in
politics. And WSP's platted new
subdivision, The Ridge at Wimberley
Springs, will come right down to
FM 2325, just west of the new
elementary school. There will be
131 homes in that subdivision --
all supplied by the ever-rapacious
Aqua Texas (officers of which
were sitting with Winton Porterfield at the HTGCD meeting
on Nov. 18. Winton is local honcho
of Wimberley Springs Partners, whose owners live in Midland and
couldn't care less about what happens to us in Wimberley Valley).

The Oracle said...

It is interesting how all of this ties together. I hope people are starting to see that Swimberley is just another chapter in a very large book of development plans destined to destroy our quality of life in this valley. I really think it is bound to fail for lack of water and buyers. If that happens the millionaires will just pickup and go somewhere else to ply their trade. We on the other hand will be stuck with foreclosed homes and dry land that is worthless. Let’s break the chain now. Just say NO the Swimberley!

But We Already Knew That said...

Let's see:

1. Aqua Texas already is unable to
process safely all the wastewater it is responsible for treating.

2. A water supplier concerned
about health and environmental
issues would not take on any other
customers in that scenario.

3. But Aqua Texas is adding these
projects that we know of (and there
may be many more in the works that
we DON'T know about as yet):

131 homes in The Ridge at Wimberley Springs (almost certain
to be approved by new Republican-
majority Commissioners Court)

Swimberley, if that horror should
come to being.

Not to mention that Aqua Texas
started providing water to the new
elementary school when it opened.
The stream of water in some homes
in Woodcreek North is not very
strong at times now.

4. Ergo, Aqua Texas cares not about
our health or the environment.

Anonymous said...

I think all the folks at Swimberley should go jump in a lake.

Anonymous said...

I think the plating of The Ridge has already been approved and re-approved by the present court. The Sweetheart deal given on the land purchase to WISD for the new Elementary school by Winton Porterfield is all part of the Master Plan. I believe Swimberley fits in there as well. A Water Park for an arid water starved desert, how absurd!

Have you noticed, nobody here is defending this Turkey?

Anonymous said...

Swimberley did not get the $2 million grant it asked Hays
County Commissioners Court for.

Anonymous said...

Great news if true, I hope they will take this dumbass idea to Austin or Travis County where they like this kind of sillyness.

Now let,s make sure that the WISD doesn't float a bond or something stupid to help finance this turkey.

Anonymous said...

Yes! Put it in the Peoples Republic of Austin right on the banks of Town (oops) Ladybird Lake. This would be great for all the Condo Dwellers. I guess you would have to re-name it. Anybody have suggestion for a more appropriate name?

Anonymous said...

FYI: the community center was never meant to be a money-maker. It was built with funds raised by the Seniors and if properly marketed would pay its expenses - not make money - and be used primarily by Wimberley citizens...which it was designed for and for which many local organizations supported and donated dollars for.....just needs good managing which it is not getting now from the city....
Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Why can't we just build a High School swimming pool like all the other schools.